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Title: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Optical_Mouse on 05 Jul, 09, 12:07:PM I'm outraged by this.... >:( Her ignorance is gobsmacking
Brenda Power: You can’t trample over the wedding cake and eat it http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6637267.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6637267.ece) Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: orange on 05 Jul, 09, 03:11:PM OMG! That fool is also blindly relying on the coverage from The Irish Times - she wasn't even at the Pride march or post-march event. Grrrr! I'm penning my letter to the editor now!
And it was at this point that I had to refrain from throwing my laptop out the window:
Oh, I'm gonna swing for her:
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: orange on 05 Jul, 09, 03:27:PM I LOVE this comment on the article:
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Evil Steve on 05 Jul, 09, 04:46:PM
Really? I didnt know that, thank you breda for pointing that out... stupid ****ing gowl. Its been a VERY long time since ive had a journalist piss me off THAT much. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: juju on 05 Jul, 09, 04:54:PM I am so cross about this, So cross I can't even think of how to complain to the Times without swearing at them. I'm particularly pissed off at the suggestion we all just marry someone of the opposite sex of we want to get married, and then she can look on while we live lives of quiet desperation and unhappiness, and so does the person we marry. C*nt.
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: orange on 05 Jul, 09, 05:16:PM I know how you feel, Juju! Her argument is rife with flaws but it's so hard to identify each one and articulate the reason why it's not a legitimate point of view because I'm so furious with her, and the paper for publishing such harmful, spiteful drivel!
Ultimately, I do not know how she can put forward the argument that gay people should be content because they already have the right to marry whomever they chose—of the opposite sex, of course—and then later (in the third last paragraph) argue that to remain in a loveless union is harmful for children, and not realise that there is something inherently contradictory in such a point-of-view. Essentially she says: marry who you like regardless of the fact that you don't love them, but don't stay in a loveless marriage. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: ciardubh on 05 Jul, 09, 07:47:PM how singularly ignorant, offensive and F**king stupid!!!!!! *boils*
And what's wrong with different? I thought we were all different, that's what makes us all unique and wonderful and la di da.... I would actually hurt her if she was near enough to me *snorts* I have emailed her and the Times, miraculously without swearing (at this point I have an angry civil partnership letter as stock) ugh... *goes out for a walk* Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: alpineflower on 05 Jul, 09, 08:45:PM It really is fashionable to bash the LGBT community at the moment.
Why don't some people go protest outside the office of whoever publishes the ROI edition of the Sunday Times? Make a scene. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Frapple on 06 Jul, 09, 09:01:AM I am gobsmacked. Really and truly lost for words, I just don't know where to start on that. I just want to throttle the ignorance out of her
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: tabula rasa on 06 Jul, 09, 10:36:AM >:(
I don't even know where to start with this... Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: EBO on 06 Jul, 09, 10:38:AM Is there a point arguing with this? Again I have respect for the people in the LGBT community who can hold their nerve and just argue this without reacting emotionally. I can't believe she was allowed write it but again and again their arguments sound weak. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Optical_Mouse on 06 Jul, 09, 11:33:AM I'm still seething with rage..
I feel so personally affronted by her stupidity I'm tempted to write a scathing personal retort exposing her outrageous ignorance and prejudice... I will write this evening, and try and be clear and impersonal- though I still feel that visceral response you get when you witness or experience bullying
As many of you know know, my daughter has marched with or in the vicinity of the spuds for the last three years- has had wonderful, joyful Prides- rain or shine, and has relished the excitement, warmth and possibiliites of openess and tolerance in the streets of Dublin in 'her formative years'... the only real threat to her 'self image' as a teenager in a lesbian family is the ugly prejudice of the Brenda Powers of this world... Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: juju on 06 Jul, 09, 12:23:PM You know, if i was there, I really would be attemping some form of protest at the times offices
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: jobyred on 06 Jul, 09, 12:33:PM (This i left on Panti's blog, cos i am so angry at that dope, Brenda Power)
ANITA BRYANT IS ALIVE AND WELL AND WRITTING FOR THE SUNDAY TIMES!!! I am sick and angry and what she wrote. Is it any wonder they took her show off NEWSTALK fm. She is the most ill informed, i use the word very lightly, reporter. She tends to go off on rants on anything from single mothers to old age pensioners with the littleist of information. The holes in her arguments are huge. It makes me very angry to see the lies she had printed this sunday. She talks of 'role models, a rounded self image and social excepance in their fromitive years' This is something i would have loved growing up but unfortunatly i got staright parents and grew up around straight peers so that was someting i would never have until i became an adult and had to work through with the help of councling to unravel the lifetime of brainwashing, bulling and abuse i suffered at the hands of straights to find acceptance within the gay and straight world and most inportantly myself. Her kind of old fashioned attitude reminds me of a time of curtain twitching, women who wore head scarfs, relouis fear and where child molesters were abundant in socity. An ignorant time, an ignorant people. Igonrant to the the facts. Happly awiting the end of the world with glee. People who are fearfull of anyting outside their own neighbourhood. Articles like this lay the groundwork for homophobia in the press, in government, on the streets and in the home. And she and they are getting away with it! To quote "95% of child molestations are hetrosexuals and usually family" "All child abandonments are hetrosexuals" "98% of rapes are commited by hetrosexuals" "30% of hetrosexual marriges contain domestic violence" Suffer little children. Shame on you Brenda Power your ingnorant barnyard upbringing betrays you when you set out your standards and try to impose them on Panti or any of us who are gay. Let me say this, and i quote: yours are "the standards of Rapists, Wife beaters, Child abusers, the people who ordered the bomb to be built, the people who ordered it to be droped, the people who pulled the trigger, the people who built the gas chambers, the people who built the concentration camps, the jew baiters, the corporate thiefs and the hitlers, the people who carried out murder in the name of jesus christ and glorify themself in it"Some standards Brenda "how much more blood do you want, how many more lives." Wake up brothers and sisters evil is among us. Bringing penny for a walk maybe good to clear your head but dont just ignor it, fight the homophobia and crap that she spouts. Quotes are from Harvey Milks speechs way back in the olden times,but how they speak today. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: EBO on 06 Jul, 09, 01:44:PM I don't think 'criminalising' heterosexuals is the way to go to prove our point you know. You may want to steer away from that jobyred. Bad people are gay and striaght. We're equals and we're looking for equality. I'm really glad I'm not reacting with rage at this. I'm angry but I feel in control of it. I've heard this before and it makes me more upset than anything that there are people out there who share Brenda's view. Our anger will not phase her. We need to just clearly and calmly state why she's totally and utterly wrong in the massive assumptions and sweeping statements she makes about LGBT people. A protest is a really good idea. Maybe we should email Noise? Edit: actually I fear giving this more publicity then it deserves. what if it just gives her more attention and leverage to make her view heard? Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Prufrock on 06 Jul, 09, 02:14:PM I'm annoyed that she tried to write it in such a way as to sound like she wasn't being as ignorant as she is
Just say it Brenda, don't try to put in little PC bits - just say it You think a "bloke in a dress" is a joke and that we don't deserve to marry Ignorant **** Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: jobyred on 06 Jul, 09, 06:36:PM Sure im angry and full of rage, why wouldn't i be when i read such bigotry. i nearly threw up to think views like hers are still alive and being spread by such a notable newspaper.
I was trying to show that her angle that we dont or wont make good parents is drivel. I wont ever be buying the Sunday Times again and i hope all others will do the same until they take her off that soapbox shes on. yeah, talking about her views might make her think shes right but whats the alternative? go back into the closet and keep my mouth shut? they were the dark ages and i dont intend to go back there thank you. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: RubberBoy on 06 Jul, 09, 07:11:PM Have to say the piece is so badly written that the only people it has any hope of getting through to are already hopelessly bigoted. I have read some really good letters people have wrtten and fair dues to people for doing somthing about it, but I can't help dismissing her. She ultimately wont be the type of person who is in any way a risk to the campaign for equality.
But Alaska is looking for a new govenor and from their track record she seams an ideal candate. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Anovadea on 06 Jul, 09, 07:44:PM I don't think EBO disagrees with your right to be angry about this, which is a very natural feeling, but the way in which you choose to direct it. When you're passionately angry, and start saying that the heterosexual community are the wife-beaters, rapists and overall degenerates of the human race, you make yourself easy to dismiss and greatly diminishes the impact of your response. Similarly, spelling, grammar and coherence are big contributors/detractors to your argument being considered in a serious light.
If you're using the medium of text to respond to articles such as hers, you need to focus yourself, and bring yourself to a rational place. You need to start deconstructing it, countering the points. Rip it asunder, carefully highlighting how weak the points are, and taking the utmost care not to draw your own feelings and hyperbole into the argument itself. By all means, use your emotions to fuel the reason for it, but the product itself must be free from it. Otherwise, it's just a shouting match, and it draws all the wrong attention. My own theory is that there should probably be a Zen-like acceptance of the fact that Brenda won't change her mind, at most, the best direct result is that she can't publish work like that again. You won't convert those who are deeply entrenched in their beliefs - that means her article isn't going to sway the LGBT community that want this, nor will our best efforts bring an epiphany upon the the Brenda Powers in this world. What is at stake are those that have yet to make up their minds. We need to convince those people. We need rational, eloquent arguments. We need to be (relatively) likable, or at least presentable (this is where the spelling and grammar come in - spellcheckers are very handy things). We need to remember that most of the undecided will not be gay (most of them already know where they stand, so it's simply preaching to the queer... so to speak) - so let's not insult them, and say that they're the folk of wife-beaters. That doesn't win them over. Also, it's worth noting that the work of people like Alan Turing (who was gay and was responsible for a lot of code-breaking in World War 2), resulted in the death of a lot of German soldiers. Alexander The Great is reputed to have been gay, and was responsible for attempts at mass genocide. There are reports of same-sex partners who physically and emotionally abuse their partners. All of these points will be used to counter any of your attacks on the heterosexual community that you previously posted. Those attacks will not win over the people we need on our side. While your original post touched on decent points, they were clouded by anger and the thrust of the piece was largely uncontrolled, swinging in all directions with a strong possibility of losing us the allies we desperately need. All that aside, welcome to the Spud, and I hope the above (which is meant as constructive criticism rather than an attack on your good self) doesn't stop you from posting and enjoying yourself on the forums. :) Regards, Aoife Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: wendyspud on 06 Jul, 09, 08:12:PM I'm starting to get really sick of the standard of writing in the National Newspapers of this backwardly run excuse of an independant state. I didn't finish reading that article because I'm not wasting another second of my life reading badly structured and groundless opinions from people who belong in the middle ages.
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: jobyred on 06 Jul, 09, 10:31:PM I take all your points and yes i agree, but i am so bloody angry at her and her right wing views. Any of the points i raised have been raised and used before in the fight for gay rights. My spelling and grammer mistakes come from not having a good education, because i was regularly used as a punch bag, bullyed by teachers at school and never took much interest in learning,i have never gotton over this and this is no excuse. I wish things could have been different and never have had any problems in life so i could have grown up without such hang ups and fear. Being beaten because your gay leaves great deep scars, well for me it has.
Thank you for your welcome. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Delicatebalance on 06 Jul, 09, 10:50:PM Brenda Power is, and always was, a rabble rouser, appealing to the lowest (and most ignorant) common denominator in society. Her ill informed opinions are designed to appeal to the uneducated whose lives are empty without a section of society to blame for their ills. So imho she is best ignored, no matter how angry it might make you, as there are far more important issues for LGBT people to work on
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: juju on 06 Jul, 09, 10:55:PM
On the other hand, it shows we're not going to take it Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: ciardubh on 07 Jul, 09, 11:05:AM I agree with points made by Anovadea and EBO, particularly when you're dealing with the "wider public" (for want of a better phrase).
But guys, you should also bear in mind that I think lots of people will post things on the Spud that they wouldn't ever use in an argument with someone opposed to civl marriage/lgbt people etc or in a letter, say, to the Times. I think some people use the spud as a safe space to rant, and give the reactions they know don't help - but they want to vent anyway. Likewise I wouldn't worry about giving Brenda too much airtime here, she's not likely to be seen as any more informed or correct just because the thread relating to her article has lit up. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: EBO on 07 Jul, 09, 11:36:AM No no, not this thread. I more meant the Times site and other websites which aren't as welcoming and openminded as the spud. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Optical_Mouse on 07 Jul, 09, 12:10:PM The trouble with bigots is they don't just fade away... I'd a policy of not buying Sindo, Sunday Times or the Irish Times on the days John Waters or Breda O'Brien wrote... but you know, sometimes it's good to get angry and respond...Brenda, Breda et al reminds me we need to keep fighting....
http://www.gaelick.com/2009/07/dont-let-brenda-power-reign-on-our-parade/ (http://www.gaelick.com/2009/07/dont-let-brenda-power-reign-on-our-parade/) Here's lovely response from the son of a lesbian couple: http://conorpendergrast.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/open-letter-to-brenda-power/ (http://conorpendergrast.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/open-letter-to-brenda-power/) Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Slayer on 07 Jul, 09, 12:42:PM What a crock of uninformed bollocksology! >:(
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Prufrock on 07 Jul, 09, 02:11:PM
that's great :) Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: rayman on 07 Jul, 09, 02:48:PM Does Brenda Power let out Dr Evil style manical laughter when she is writing this homophobic nonsense, I suggest that her wrap-around top in her profile photo is just a little too tight and has deprived oxygen to her brain. Gay people want equality, nothing more nothing less! I thumb my nose to your traditional values Ms Power ( I will presume you are female for now).
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Anovadea on 07 Jul, 09, 03:01:PM
Very true. It's only for the fact that I noticed that jobyred mentioned they posted the same to Panti's blog, which I would imagine to be rather more visible to the media, that I thought to weigh in (albeit a bit heavily - my apologies). As I said, we all know what side we're standing on, so I'd fully support anyone wishing to voice their opinions in whatever way they want to. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: DerPixie on 07 Jul, 09, 03:03:PM I think everyone can see that Brenda is attempting to make a name for herself with this - and protesting her in particular will give her what she wants. But that's not to say there should be no response.
Jobyred, I doubt there are people on this site that haven't sufferend in some measure. And we all get angry. Often, it's those closest to us that have made us the must angry, hurt and disillusioned. You have to remain postive in the light of this sort of thing. Even if it's to concede to Panti's own point (in her "Woman in Progress" show) that this issue is fueling the gay community in Ireland to action like nothing else has in the past 10-20 years. This sort of thing - it makes us work harder and kicks us into shape. You don't have to be eloquent and educated to make a difference here - you'll find your own way to make a statement. And you've found site where you'll find nothing but support for your situation. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: EBO on 07 Jul, 09, 04:35:PM Yeah, if anything I think Brenda will lead to a heap more people going to the next noise rally!! Certainly I've heard a few people who are outraged express this sentiment. Also I was thinking it would be so hillarious if someone entered AMI as a parody of her. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: RubberBoy on 07 Jul, 09, 04:44:PM AMI is nearly a year away she will thankfully have been forgotten by then, and if her history of holding down jobs is anything to go by probably no longer writting for the same newspapper
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: RubberBoy on 08 Jul, 09, 12:04:PM i hear she is on the last word this evening, I can only assume it's about this article
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: tabula rasa on 08 Jul, 09, 03:19:PM One of my friends Conor, the son of the lesbian couple who wrote that letter in response to the article is going to be on The Last Word on Today FM at 6pm this evening discussing this. She's going to be on it too. He wants as many people as possible to listen and text in, so please do!!
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: EBO on 08 Jul, 09, 03:45:PM Brenda will be on it too?
Oh god.. the things I would say to her!! Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Lady P on 08 Jul, 09, 04:26:PM Contact The Last Word:
Text: 083 4100 102 Email: thelastword@todayfm.com Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Dwn Wth Vwls on 08 Jul, 09, 06:04:PM What the feck were they talking about? Jesus in a tree or something?
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Lady P on 08 Jul, 09, 06:25:PM I nearly broke the radio by beating it with my place mats. How can that women say such things!
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: click here on 08 Jul, 09, 07:19:PM I'm just back in the land of leprechauns and twitching curtains - I managed to scan the gist of Power's article while sitting in a big gay hotel in big gay Barcelona, and I was ready to throw the hotel's computer out the window into the big gay neighbourhood where we were staying. So, I'm just catching up on everything now - from Gaelick, to Panti's blog, to Conor Prendergast's blog, to the comments on the Sunday Times website. EDIT: And I just missed the Last Word - will have to catch the podcast of it later. /EDIT I think if anything, this should be just another impetus to increase momentum for the equality campaign in this country. (Much like the recent similarly-horrendous article by Ian O'Doherty (http://www.gaire.com/e/f/view.asp?parent=1251196) in the Indo.) A focus point could certainly be the next Noise protest - 9th August, as I recall. (www.lgbtnoise.ie) In my opinion, everyone should make the effort to attend this - bring your LGBT mates, bring your straight mates and if possible bring your family members. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: click here on 08 Jul, 09, 08:50:PM P.S. - http://www.pantibar.com/blog.aspx?contentid=2837 and http://www.pantibar.com/blog.aspx?contentid=2895 Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Slayer on 08 Jul, 09, 10:14:PM re: The LGBT noise protest. If anyone from Cork is reading this and wants to go to the protest, myself and another Cork gay are organising a big gay bus as well as a big gay make and do night to make placards, t shirts etc for the protest. Contact me about it!
This Brenda Power woman is clearly an ignoramus with no regard to her craft as a journalist. She isn't worth the time and energy to get upset over, we must use her ignorance as a spring board for us to stand up for our rights. Make your voice heard on August 9th and drown out the likes of Brenda Power and her ilk! Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: DerPixie on 09 Jul, 09, 09:35:AM Can we take her name from the title of the post? I think she should be referred to as "some would-be journalist". Just kidding Brenda. But not really.
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: tabula rasa on 09 Jul, 09, 10:24:AM Like Lady P, my radio was in danger last night.
Fcuk Brenda Powers! Also, did anyone hear Panti on RTE Cosmo last night? I missed it. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Prufrock on 09 Jul, 09, 12:04:PM
My chin is quivering - beautiful Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: click here on 09 Jul, 09, 12:04:PM
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Slayer on 09 Jul, 09, 12:07:PM The link on the today fm site isn't working to listen to the show. dammit.
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Slayer on 09 Jul, 09, 12:46:PM just listening to it now.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/Slayer_gurl5/stewie.gif) Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Slayer on 09 Jul, 09, 12:50:PM SHE JUST DESCRIBED MARRIAGE AS OLD FASHIONED AND OUTDATED YET SHE USES THAT ARGUMENT TO SUPPORT HER OWN THAT GAYS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN. THE WOMAN IS A MORON
*head explodes* Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Lady P on 09 Jul, 09, 01:05:PM It's very painful to listen to.
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Prufrock on 09 Jul, 09, 02:28:PM I was gonna listen to it and I thought - no - I'm not giving this woman an audience
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: click here on 09 Jul, 09, 02:50:PM From Panti: http://www.pantibar.com/blog.aspx?contentid=2939
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: tabula rasa on 10 Jul, 09, 10:37:AM Panti is my hero.
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Frapple on 10 Jul, 09, 10:41:AM I missed this again :( lost radio signal at 6:40 and got it back at 7, d'oh. Anyone know if there's a podcast of it about? I'ma looking but no luck yet
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: click here on 10 Jul, 09, 10:53:AM Yep, The Last Word is available for free download on iTunes. (A search should bring it up - try 'last word' and 'lastword'.) Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: bad idea bear on 10 Jul, 09, 10:57:AM You can get it here:
http://www.todayfm.com/Shows/Weekdays/Matt-Cooper/listen.aspx Click on the 6pm hour for 9th July, it's about 4/5 of the way through the show. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Frapple on 10 Jul, 09, 11:37:AM Deadly thanks, opening it now
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: EBO on 10 Jul, 09, 12:39:PM I'm not sure all the giant flaws were poked in her argument enough. Also separating out Panti's talk into another day made it lose it's momentum a bit. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Optical_Mouse on 10 Jul, 09, 12:45:PM I thought Matt Cooper's questions were a bit personal to be honest (do YOU want to marry, have children etc) and not allowing for the fact that Panti is such an excellent spokesperson and the argument is broader! Cooper should have pitched it higher. Rory did a wonderful job... what a leader!!!
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: click here on 10 Jul, 09, 03:45:PM
She probably insisted on it. In any event, the person they did have speaking at the same time as her - Conor - she kept talking over his answers. Very mature and rational thinker is Brenda Power.. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: EBO on 10 Jul, 09, 04:11:PM I aggree with you both and Connor was brilliant. It seemed like he hardly got a word in edgeways. Probably exactly what she wants. Also did anyone else think that babies aren't made from heterosexual unions as such - I mean, I know of at least one example of a gay man giving sperm to a lesbian couple. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Frapple on 10 Jul, 09, 04:48:PM
Yeah, my thinking in this case - and in the thousands of similar cases - was that regardless of the fact that conception requires an egg and sperm, the child wouldn't have been conceived at all in any manner had the same sex parents not desired to have children together. So such a child's existence is a direct result of their union. I don't if that's really looking way outside the box and irrelevant to the argument but I just thought it was so skewed and half-sighted to say that all children are a result of purely heterosexual couplings Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: EBO on 10 Jul, 09, 05:12:PM I totally aggree. I mean, that's a biological fact. It doesn't make it a social one. Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: click here on 12 Jul, 09, 03:36:PM Brenda Power desperately tries to keep herself in the news. Sad bint. (Oh, and lesbians are misogynists, apparently..) http://bit.ly/ZcQXB Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: youth-decay on 12 Jul, 09, 03:58:PM
grrrrrr the way she kept going on about men in silly dresses and outrageous costumes at pride made my blood boil -never mind the fact that so what if some people dressed up, if she even researched anything about pride she would have observed that 98% of the crowd were just regular gays marching along. And the misogynistic thing?? What was that all about?!! Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: ciardubh on 12 Jul, 09, 10:39:PM
cheer yourselves up while you're there, after listening to Panti's interview,forget Ms Power's existence and enjoy the wonderfulness that is David Norris in the interview below it Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Lady P on 13 Jul, 09, 02:34:PM Talking about Brenda and her article on Liveline now.
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/liveline/ Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: click here on 13 Jul, 09, 03:31:PM Just caught the very, very end of that, and once again Liveline manages to turn a discussion on one topic into a session for self-loathing gays. WTF, like? Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Dwn Wth Vwls on 13 Jul, 09, 03:35:PM The "stop speaking on my behalf" guy is a really common viewpoint I think, I've heard exactly the stuff he was saying before. It's always vaguely depressing.
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: steve77 on 13 Jul, 09, 04:44:PM Reading the Sunday Times and listening to Liveline is a sign of self-loathing, gay or not.
All of you- desist. :) Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: DerPixie on 14 Jul, 09, 02:37:PM I am absolutely astonished at how people who have no idea of what they are talking about are being taken to seriously. They have totally missed the point. But Rory is on now. Yay.
Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Prufrock on 14 Jul, 09, 02:52:PM Now now
Rory (Panti) is talking on liveline now with some gays who like the bill - interesting Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Dwn Wth Vwls on 14 Jul, 09, 04:13:PM <modding>
Reply from john123 at 02:50pm removed due to infringement of the terms and conditions (http://www.angrypotato.net/index.php?action=Terms). </modding> Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: Rotatingspunkmonke on 14 Jul, 09, 05:03:PM This was the one line that made me pause for a moment
The more i read over it the more i realized that it is being used completely out of context. In her view, she was abused because she spoke an opinion. without actually getting into the semantics of the word opinion an opinion is something that gives a thought - an expression of ones feelings. These are perfectly allowed (even if i disagree with them) However, her opinion is that a minority group should STILL be treated less favorable than the rest in society. This is her opinion that the LGBT community is disagreeing with. In a democratic society, we cannot afford to punish those who are different and don't fit in with the so called "normal person" Her opinion is that the LGBT community shouldn't have their rights because they are lesbian/gay/bi/trans which is a sheer inequality which a democracy fights against - everybody is equal in a democracy (or supposed to be) I'm not fighting her right to an opinion - i'm disagreeing with it - big difference Also i am glad that she recognised that since single people are allowed to adopt, her arguments that adoption is for a married heterosexual couple goes right out the window Title: Re: Sunday Times rant by Brenda Power Post by: shoegirl on 22 Jul, 09, 05:45:PM I read both her articles and couldn't help feeling that she actually got some kind of satisfaction about being ridiculed for her opinions. The second article more or less stated that.
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